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naked in john boehner's office, three were arrested. all the girls. john stanton said there are actually people who woke up today and said today, i'm going to get buck naked in front of john boehner's staff and so it is. getting naked is a tactic. a protest tactic and judging by the wide eyed tweets as it happened, today, nudity worked. see you again tomorrow night. now, it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> when kelly corey won the oscar for her first screen play 20 years ago, she had no idea that the heroes of her film, thelma and louise were going to become political role models. >> white house is continue to warn of dire consequences for the middle class. >> on friday, he'll return to the stumps. >> he's back on the campaign trail. >> the campaign style tour. >> trying to drum up public support for his budget priorities. >> seems like just another fight in washington. >> there are really two issues there. >> a revenue side, yes. >> where is that revenue going to come from? >> increasing tax rates is going to harm dmik growth. >> warren buffett was out this mornin
and the senate majority leader's office and john boehner's office, the house republicans. but so far what we've seen, at least in the principal, is really just highlighting the differences and how stark the differences are. yes, there have been some republicans who have publicly said they are open to poe tengts tax increases, revenue increases, but even more so we're seeing this entrenchment over the military spending cuts, the unwilling nness to see that and we're seeing on the democratic side the idea that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we went over the fiscal cliff and kicked the can down the road to the next congress which will be more favorable from the liberal perspective to negotiating on these big picture issues. frankly, i think it would be harder to have a compromise on son-in-law of the entitlement reform that republicans want to see, at least some movement before they will agree before this talk of raising taxes will be anything more than the lip service that you mentioned. >> okay. so ken is suggesting there it's in republicans' interests to do a deal now. jared, the white house
are meeting with the white house chief staff. john boehner is having some meetings with business leaders. meanwhile, the staff of the senate and the house and the white house are all meeting -- this purpose of avoiding the fiscal cliff which is now 35 days off or something. so first of all, two questions. how serious is it and what do you think is going to happen? >> it is potentially very serious that is if we hit the fiscal cliff and go over it and it stays in place. the deficit falls by $600 billion, the largest one-year reduction in history but will throw the economy back into a recession. unemployment will go from 7.9% currently to over 9%. i don't think that's going to happen. i do think we'll go over the cliff, not have a deal before it happens. i think it will be fixed shortly after this -- after they storm the castle with pitch forks and torches but this is potentially the worst fiscal policy since the end of the great depression when we went into an austerity program too early and threw the economy back i
. and you look everybody is saying it, john boehner, mitch mcconnell peter king lindsay graham, on and on and on. all of these republicans coming out and saying we agree, you can't do it by spending cuts alone. you have got to raise revenues and we're on board, and we're willing to break the grover norquist pledge. these guys have totally recognized the american people agree with obama, and so therefore they are going to change their ways. here is my advise to all of you, all right. don't believe it. this is a con game. this is a shell game that the republicans are playing. let's listen to some of the voices. here for example is saxby channedless. it's valid now but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year old pledge. >> bill: oh, yeah. he is setting himself up there as oh, man, i love my country, more than i love grover norquist. peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war agai
. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the republicans are in a shocking amount of disarray right now. the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what mitt romney and paul ryan were campaigning on and sort of by default it has become their opening negotiation position. >> i see. so their opening position is the one that was vigorously debated and comprehensively defeated just three weeks ago. i guess the only question now is, wh
piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will be a democratic buildup than a republican buildup. but there's no doubt that if eric cantor is willing to at least vote on a deal that has new revenue, that that is a huge paradigm shift. and i think that gives us all hope, although there's still a long way to go, that there can be a deal that has the president has said for a long time, a balanced approach. >> but ruth, what are the democrats willing to give, because there are some democrats, some of the more liberal democrats who are saying let's go over the cliff. that gives us more leverage. >> there's extremes in both parties that say let's go over the cliff. grover norquist was saying it the other day. i just want to -- before we get to the democrats, i want to be debbie downer for a minute on the republican side. i totally agree with mark. we're hearing
. >> i didn't think this was a mandate. i agree your man won. but jim, the basic deal was, okay, john boehner acknowledging what this was. putting this on the table and he said this a million times in return for some. modest reform. while the biggest stuff waits for next year. if the democrats say it is off the table and if harry reid is trading bars with mitch mcconnel, what is up here. senator durban said, it shouldn't be ps deal. i don't think there is a bar gain to be had. it is a win win for alabama. he is going to get the tax hikes or the rb ares will say no deal and he gets the tax hikes which is what he will prefer anyway. that is a big pot of money he can use for whatever he wants. they are still not going to be a deal. baker, democrats saying there is no problem with social security, even though the piece in the "wall street journal" today said they are $20 trillion in the hole. they said they are $40 trillion in the hole. how can democrats argue that with a straight face. i know that stuff inside and out. most of those shortfalls are in the 22nd century. we don't have a big
asking a question about something. you find out what people -- you and about john boehner, you don't ask about the fiscal cliff or the tax plan. they ask if john boehner is gay. is joe biden, stupid, retards, gay, jewish, smart? these are the smart. these are the things that pop up. >> gay is like always. >> gay is up there. mormon is up there a lot. bill belichick, the patriots coach, is bill bielichick gay, mormon, a cheater. >> sideline cheater. >> it's interesting that this profile, i think people don't maybe appreciate that everything you're searching -- there are people who are putting this all together and saying that's who this guy is. >> that reminds me of a funny story from thanks lelast year. a guy on twitter told his dad twitter was a search engine. so his dad started entering questions into twitter and they went up as posts. some examples, how do you pronounce juan? national geographic dinosaur truth. can i bring a tupperware of chili on an airplane. i don't know if this was real or fake but it was really, really funny. people don't realize, the internet is not a gated commu
or, b, limit deductions. but you know what the speaker of the house said the other day, john boehner, he said he's willing to do the latter. now you just saw what chambliss said. so is the era of grover and his you ubiquitous pledge over? >> no. i think grover deserves a great deal of credit for keeping that pledge to the american people and holding republicans' feet to the fire. gregg: is it over now? >> no. we have a different set of circumstances. perhaps what the democrats should have had is their own grover norquist on spending, and we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in. but here's the reality, gregg.me for the status quo. nothing's changed since two months ago. we have basically the same makeup in government. obama controls the white house, we control the house, democrats controls the senate. but guess what? the american people don't expect a status quo in governance. gregg: there's a recent rasmussen poll and, juan, i want you to take a look as well, 57% agree that raising taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year is a good idea. can you put that up on the scre
reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi will be serious. going over the cliff doesn't make any sense. >> we all remember the t.a.r.p. vote that you reference. that really didn't come to a resolution until the markets -- i would argue -- scared washington. i wonder how important you think that is this time? do stocks need to fall before the two sides really get committed at the table? >> that is a terrific question. that's the main question. in two days we lost 1,600 points in the markets. it took us a lot longer time to come back and recover. i sat there and stared defeat in the face. we can't do it now. the markets will respond to certainty. that's what congress needs to give american business and american people. certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator
bring some hope to john boehner, the man in charge of actually negotiating this deal with the president. after the election, the speaker did say increased revenues were acceptable if coupled with entitlement reform. but will it be supported in the house? that's where grover is seen as more of a legend than a lobbyist. some are signaling the tax debate does not start and end with this old pledge. eric cantor, who was adamant last time about opposing any revenue increase hit that note on msnbc just this morning. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge, it really is about trying to solve problems. john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said republicans in the house were willing to put revenues on the table. that was a big move. >> by the standards of republican politics, ben, that was a big move. and eric cantor is doing something pretty important there. i just want to say before we go into all of the nitty-gritty details, tell us about what it means for eric
it takes to communicate a sense of urgency. >> on the other side of pennsylvania avenue, john boehner says he thinks there is a way to avoid that cliff. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has, but i'm optimistic we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> and look who's coming to lunch. mitt romney will break bread with the president at the white house tomorrow. >> pledge of allegiance, anti-tax crusader grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub.
out between president obama and john boehner. >> i guess so. because dick durbin himself has been confusing in what he's been saying publicly. on sunday he said sure medicare and medicaid can be part of the discussion. today he's giving a speech where it should not be part of the conversation. there this morning he's saying once we get into a room, we can start talking about it. and there are ways that i think liberals would agree to do medicare and medicaid. you know, if you're tinkering on the supplier side like, you know, say medical device companies or something, or reimporting drugs from canada, or allowing medicare to negotiate, or reduce price, or add a public option to health care reform. you know, that would save money. so there are things that democrats would do when it comes to entitlements that would save money. and maybe that's what dick durbin is talking about, but those are the exact opposite of the things that republicans would want to do when it comes to entitlements. so harry reid's strategy might be the easiest one. just say, look, this is not part of the conver
to table on certain things, as did john boehner, unfortunat unfortunatea tea party guys came to the table. neil: that is mark. >> once again year irrelevant. this is the tea party guys fault. this is against mainstream, all of them want big spending, that is what they are looking for, maintaining a big government is in their interest, people cannotment it any more despite electoral results exit polling show people' less deficit, less debt they are worried about long terlong-term financial security. >> they said they would like to raise taxes on 1% of earners. >> they are so evil. >> thank you very much. you might have heard about this you get a blue flu shot every year this time, what if i told you, there is a place, you don't get a flu shot, you loss your job. talk about a real needle in the hype i, after this. -- heine i, after this. so, you actually reward people for staying with you? yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius. yeah, genius. you guysust have your own loyalt
the debt limit unless forced to by john boehner. >> and by the way, john boehner is talking about having to get the majority of a majority on tax issues. he's not going to get a majority of majority on debt raising. >> much harder on the debt ceiling than taxes. >> that's what i'm saying. i refuse to vote to raise a debt ceiling when they were trying to raise it to $5 trillion. it's something you don't do unless you get a lot of cuts on the other side. >> and it's not a game. because if you don't raise it, we saw what happened last time, you can get your debt downgraded and has real economic consequenc consequences. and that's why when people think about the fiscal cliff, we all assume that sane minds will prevail and they'll come up with some deal. there's no guarantee that sane minds will prevail. and recent history would suggest that sanity almost never prevails in washington. so you can assume it's going to be more difficult than we think. you can assume that the bush tax cuts might all go away for a short period of time. and you cannot assume they just raise the debt limit. you cann
and what they are. is allowed john boehner and mitch mcconnell to govern recently. it's about the republican governors passed out ushers at the red states for the 24 states republican governors, republican legislature. blue are the 13 of 40 state spending on how you count new york, 13 of 14 state that a democratic governor and a democratic house and senate. and there you see the red states are not raising taxes. they're cutting taxes in the red states and blue states are raising taxes rather than reforming government. so the fight we're having in washington where there's gridlock in the stage of the opposite of gridlock. for the last two years. "new york times" wrote an article about last week, it's been true for two-year -- >> about the legislators -- >> the legislative in the various states that you've got 24 states if the republicans get together they can turn the state into hong kong or texas. you have 13 maybe 14 states if the democrats because they could turn their state into greece or california. >> we are in washington and the wording goes back to 86, right? >> yes. pa
in elections in years to come. i think that they realize from john boehner the speaker of the house to mitch mcconnell somewhat in the senate. on down, that the kinds of extreme policies that we saw in the republican primary, mitt romney, rick santorum, michele bachmann et cetera those policies are not going to win over hispanics. they're not going to win over asian americans. >> jennifer: you are not going to see i predict a super pac that is a pro-choice republican super pac though, right? that's an issue they won't touch. >> i believe that abortion is an issue that they will not touch. they -- they saw what happens when you anger women voters in this country independents, republicans and democrats but abortion i think -- the republican party is not there yet. i don't know if they will ever get there. >> jennifer: well instead of republican moderates, shouldn't we just issue democratic cards to the membership, cards to the democratic party? i don't see how they're going to do it. you have mayor bloomberg's super
jackson jr. has resigned. in a letter to house speaker john boehner, jackson cited his ongoing treatment for bipolar disorder, and admitted to, quote, my share of mistakes. there's a house committee investigation into his dealings with rod blagojevich and a probe into possible misuse of campaign money. >>> the violence in syria continues today. at least 40 people were killed in the town of aleppo. this is not the first time this hospital has been shut. earlier this year an artillery shell hit a maternity ward. >>> secretary clinton and president obama and mahmoud morsi brokeringed a cease-fire. no sirens, have you heard any? >> reporter: no, that's right, alex, all quiet, no sirens here. there were a couple earlier in the day in the south. they turned out to be false alarms. the cease-fire went into effect 9:00 last night local time, which is about 18 hours ago. so it's a hopeful sign. of course, it's early days yet. when the cease-fire was announced yesterday, the palestinians in gaza were ecstatic. there was celebration, thousands of people in the streets firing guns into the air for c
with john boehner this weekend and expressed confidence the deal can't be reached before the deadline. that's what most americans want. in the the latest poll. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid. >> you signed it 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball rolling. the good news is the people that gave a commitment to the american voters. for four years president obama has not reined in spending. all he did is demand $1.6 trillion of tax increase so he can spend more money, not
of the republican party. a lot of people think it's john boehner. is it this guy right here? [ buzzer ] not him. a lot of people think it's grover norquist. is it grover? no not him either. [ buzzer ] so who is it? you got to understand, the politicians take their orders from their donors. and grover norquist is not the mr. donor himself. he funnels the donor money. who is actually in charge? these guys. this is lloyd blankfine and david coast, they're also on this thing called the ceo fiscal leadership council. what is that? that's a bunch of ceos who got together and said, all right no more being zealot, increases or any kind of revenue increases fine. but obama is offering an awesome deal. let's take it, it's over. they're sending their messages out to the republican senators and congress saying it's time to make a deal. this deal still kicks ass for us. we'll cut the living hell out of what we call entitlements, social security and medicare and medicaid. lloyd blankfein listen to what he said about so-called indictmentment. >> you'll have to lower people's expectations, the entitlements and
. >> brian: house democrats going along with maybe john boehner caucus to pass it. that is how divided it could be. it could cost them the house. when it's said and done and we're sitting here on december 31, emergency session of five five -- i'll be here in case of injury -- there will be sitting there saying this is deal we got to cut. we got to get the democrats to come along with republicans. >> dana: aside from politics i don't think enough people are talking about what is the right policy and the right answer and solution to get the economy going again? see that social security and medicare is saved for the next generation. >> eric: one quick point, can we as five or the con seventives, bob you should be interested in this, too. forget social security. we pay to the social security system. it's self-fulfilling. >> bob: they pay in medicare, too. >> eric: but we way with payroll and fica to social security. government raids social security. only reason that social security is on table they took $2 trillion we paid into it. >> bob: dana's question do you want transparency and grove
. >> obama did come to table on certain things, as did john boehner, unfortunat unfortunatea tea party guys came to the table. neil: that is mark. >> once again year irrelevant. this is the tea party guys fault. this is against mainstream, all of them want big spending, that is what they are looking for, maintaining a big government is in their interest, people cannotment it any more despite electoral results exit polling show people' less deficit, less debt they are worried about long terlong-term financial security. >> they said they would like to raise taxes on 1% of earners. >> they are so evil. >> thank you very much. you might have heard about this you get a blue flu shot every year this time, what if i told you, there is a place, you don't you, there is a place, you don't get a flu with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark card! why settle for less? t
between president obama and house speaker john boehner. now i just heard from a white house official that tom done house, the head of the u.s. chamber, john engler, the head of the business u.s. roundtable are in the white house today meeting with staff. there hasn't been a lot of negotiating progress. i still think there is a generally optimistic mood this will get done but we have a lot of hard bargains between now and the end of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he
votes for something in the middle. it depends on whether john boehner is willing to risk his speakership to -- >> nancy pelosi will have a role too. one has the sense that the leaders of the parties have fear sequester and fear going over the cliff. they don't want it even as members in their parties are starting to talk more about sequester as actually a way out and a way out that puts the other side on the david petraeus. >> meanwhile, maybe they should watch the movie before they make the deal. >> that's what i wrote that the president had the screening of "lincoln" at the white house which i was not at but should have a regular 4:00 showing and everybody should come down, sit in the nice sits, eat the popcorn and recognize a few things from the president's point of view that nice words and lofty speeches, gettysburg address are wonderful but we also need sort of hard-headed a little bit sleazy deal-making lobbying to go along. >> movies that -- >> wonderful. >> to go along with it and from the point of view of congress, that congress can rise above itself, can rise above partisanship
there is no second sit down scheduled for the president and congressional leaders he did speak to john boehner and harry reid over the weekend about avoiding the fiscal cliff. the president will meet with small business owners today. tomorrow he meets with middle class americans who would be affected by tax hikes and more business leaders. friday he's going to travel to hatfield pennsylvania where he will give campaign style remarks to get support for congress to negotiate the right kind of deal. we are back with more steph after this. ♪ [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ >> yahoo, it is the "stephanie miller show," welcome to it. 1-800-steph-1-2 toll free from everywhere. steven weber. he will be there nobody panic he will be right there. charlie pierce said some good stuff about the fiscal cliff and other things. this is going to be a fascinating discussion. the president playing three dimensional chess. told you so. >> never mind. >> never mind. >> corn? when did we book corn? [ laughter ] >> oh, you kids. i swear. all right, you kn
. the house speaker john boehner's office today announcing something similar. congressional republicans holding events in washington as well as back in their home districts to frame the president's tax plan as a threat to new hiring. but some republicans as you know are already hinting they're open to eliminating deductions even if it means breaking that pledge that the lobbyist grover norquist has been getting law makers to sign for years. joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal whe
a structural deficit approaching a trillion dollars a year which is why i think even john boehner when he sits down, smart guy says i acknowledge we've got to do something on the revenue side. that's where i think grover norquist, not to make him the lightning rod is in a tight bientd because the numbers don't add up. that's where your argue really falls apart. >> i guess what i'm presenting more is the political picture that it's going to be -- not withstanding the assertion that it is 15% of gdp. where it should wind up, you can find a lot of conservatives who would say 15% of gdp is too much anyway but that's a separate argument. what i'm saying is politically it will be very, very tough on those republicans, other than the current ones who have announced they have sort of abandoned the pledge. these guys were doing it for the last couple of years anyway to. see the leadership in the republican house do it, they may wind up some challenges. the republican party in the house is used to having a coup d'etat. >> eliot: as a d
they are likely to get a big deal. it seems that republicans leading on this, like john boehner, like lindsay graham frankly, they're signaling they want to have a big deal. think in the coming three months or so, we'll probably see something pretty big from them. >> doug? >> i agree. i think that they are going to do a bit of a kick the can. but in the interest of getting a deal that people can live with and selling it well, the president is getting outside of washington to go to the american people on this. he needs time to do that well. so i don't think kicking the can down the street is a bad thing, it might help them accomplish something. >> back in a moment, everyone, with everyone's must-reads. s ar. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. wears off. [ female announcer ] stop searching and start repairing. eucerin professional repair moisturizes while actually repairing very dry skin. the end of trial and error has arrived. try a free sample at eucerinus.com. >>> we're back with the big three. it
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and 2014 because then they aren't coming back. >> if you are john boehner, speaker boehner, your proposal is -- your bright line is what? >> first of all, you want to have this conversation in public and whatever happens, you want it online. that gives you the moral high ground and allows the american people to focus on this. >> wait, what you are saying right there is a path to a deal, you're not saying they should go over a political cliff. you're saying they should fight for the best deal they can get, but you're not advocating cutting off your nose to spite your face? >> no. i had conversations with wolf blitzer. this is deja vu all over again with the end of the world, all dragons and going to go over the debt ceiling thing and the argument is do you want to default? no, we don't. we want to save $2.5 trillion in spending, and we won that fight. the democrats refer to the debt ceiling thing as a failure. no. no. we got the spending cuts that american taxpayers wanted and didn't get your taxes weren't increased. failure to raise taxes. the d's desperately need to raise taxes in order
, because this is part of these ongoing negotiations. but we do know that house speaker john boehner has talked about putting health care reform on the table. there are democrats who want to make sure that middle class americans, those families making up to $250,000 a year, t eir taxes won't go u wealthier americans will pay more. and then both republicans and democrats are talking about putting entitlement programs on the table, mostly republicans pushing this. but some democrats, as well. take a listen what senator dick durbin had to say about that over the weekend. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation, and we can do things that i believe we should now, smaller things, play out over the long term that gives it solvency. medicare is another story. only 12 years of solvency lie ahead if we do nothing. so those who say don't touch it, don't change it, are ignoring the obvious. we want medicare to be there for today's seniors and tomorrow's as well. voucherizing it, privatizing it, we can make meaningful reform. >> the preside
senator mitch mcconnell and speaker john boehner, they all spoke with the president, over the weekend by phone, about the fiscal cliff. here's what jay carney said. >> forecast to be done, work is continuing to take place, the president spoke with both senator reid and speaker boehner over the weekend as you noted. he'll continue to have outreach with -- as he promised he would with various stake holders, business leaders and others this week. as well as conversations that are ongoing between his staff and folks on the hill. that will continue. we hope to see progress. >> and meeting with the leaders? >> i don't have any scheduling updates, but you stole my thunder a little bit, but, yeah, he spoke with speaker boehner and senator reid over the weekend and, you know, he will meet with them at the appropriate time as well as obviously nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell. so, you know, the process that he began is continuing. we continue to be optimistic that a balanced approach is achievable. >> again, jay carney there moments ago speaking at the white house daily briefing. and if this fi
? and so if right now the question is how do you do that? well, john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said, hey, republicans in the house are willing to 0 put revenues on the table. that was a big move, right? and we said we are going to do that in the name of trying to fix the problem to respond to the electorate that re-elected this president, but at the same time we say we weren't elected to raise taxes. we want to help people get back it to work. >> so is it safe to say there might be a scenario in which that pledge would not apply or would be put to the side for compromise? >> you know, mika, i haven't talked to grover norquist so i don't know what he wants to do with his pledge. what i know is the constituents that i represent and i believe most american people want to see, number one, more jobs created. and let me tell you a story that i think is relevant to this question. i was in montana during the campaign and i met a gentleman who had taken a job as a cook at an airport restaurant. and he told me, please fix this problem because i want to get back to my profess
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